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On 10 September 2001, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced that approximately $2 trillion in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Ordinarily that magnitude of corruption would have triggered a political shit storm. However the next day, America experienced its biggest terrorist attack ever, which nipped the financial scandal in the bud. Rumsfeld's timing could not have been better. Here is a link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/ ... 5985.shtml

Interesting...........

FATTY BIN LADEN

The Pentagon boys concocted a fake Osama bin Laden 911 confession video, and palmed it off on the press as the real thing. With all of their billions of dollars, they could have hired an actor who at least looked like OBL. They didn't even get the nose right. Sorry guys, a beard and a turban are not enough. Here is a link:
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/dec ... video.html

And, Bin Laden was only one of the things that were strange.......

How can 3 guys hijack a plane with 150 passengers armed with (not real) knifes?

And this was even more strange.

http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/ ... %20update/

Larry wrote:FATTY BIN LADEN

The Pentagon boys concocted a fake Osama bin Laden 911 confession video, and palmed it off on the press as the real thing. With all of their billions of dollars, they could have hired an actor who at least looked like OBL. They didn't even get the nose right. Sorry guys, a beard and a turban are not enough. Here is a link:
http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/dec ... video.html

Pentagon deserves a new attack for bad work like that!

I feel this level of politics is wicked. How can you trust anything they say? If you do - dont! It's full of games behind the scene. Did people forget already that Bin Ladens family was a close friend to family Bush? Why American army was protecting poppyfields of rich local leaders in Afghanistan?

How can you trust anything they say?

You can't!

For my own understanding, I look at the really conclusive parts of the 911 story, in particular the overwhelming evidence for controlled demolitions of WTC 1, 2, and 7. However there are a lot of 911 skeptics who are caught up in unproductive, open-ended discussions about blurry photos of airplanes about to strike the Twin Towers. Because most people have very strong opinions about 911, I wanted to choose subtopics that were not generally known, and did not step on too many toes.

The interrelated lessons of recent history for me are that America is no longer a modern democracy, and that my country is a place where the truth doesn't matter much. Lies that result in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Iraq (Bush) are apparently no worse than lies about sex (Clinton).

I'm glad to see that the Scandinavians I know--and maybe Western Europeans in general--have a greater capacity for doubt than my countrymen.

I think the whole thing is pretty strange. Lots of questions and almost no straight answers from the government. Lots of strange happenings. Coincidences? Perhaps, perhaps not. I have watched several of those videos about 911 that you can download from different sites on net and i'm very confused.

I don't understand people who thrust the government blindly without even asking a single question. The simple rule is, never thrust anything blindly, always ask questions. I don't thrust the swedish politicans either.

More human remains found at WTC site!

• Outraged protesters allege mishandling, demand new search
• Other remains, including arm, leg bones, found Thursday in manhole
• City reviewing underground areas where more remains might be found
• No remains have been ID'd for 1,150 of 2,749 killed in 9/11 attacks

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Human remains, possibly belonging to victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, were found Sunday at the site. The Medical Examiner's office said 18 pieces of human remains were found Sunday; other human remains discovered last week at a work site in lower Manhattan had led to the further searches.

Deputy Mayor Ed Skyler said most of the 12 subterranean locations being searched had not been entered since the attacks. "They will go through every grain, every piece of material carefully and sift through it," he promised. Searchers expect to burrow into at least 12 subterranean areas in coming days, according to The Associated Press. About five have been excavated, AP reported.

The underground pockets are located along the western edge of the 16-acre lower Manhattan site, underneath a service road built in March of 2002 to free up traffic on a major thruway that had been closed since the attacks. according to AP. However, some below-ground cavities that had been used for utility and infrastructure purposes were paved over without being searched for remains, AP reported. On Friday, members of World Trade Center Families for Proper Burial protested what they said was the government's mishandling of remains.

They have called for a halt to all construction in the area and a renewed, more exhaustive search for remains. "We ask that construction at Ground Zero come to a halt," said Rosaleen Tallon, whose brother Sean Tallon died in the attacks five years ago. "These are all moms. I'm a mom, I've got a 2-year-old, and I've a 4-year-old, and their bones, and their teeth, and their hair, and their skin, and their eyeballs are all precious to me. You couldn't put a price on that. And as human beings, we should not put a price on it."

Another family member of a 9/11 victim told AP that the grim discovery sends a message. "Their actions say remains are not a priority, they're secondary to the rebuilding," said Charles Wolf, who told AP he lost his wife and has never received any of her identified remains. "This is bringing up all the gnawing, gut-wrenching stuff inside us again," he said to AP. Last week, Mayor Michael Bloomberg met with city and state agencies at City Hall to discuss the renewed search for remains of the victims of the attacks.

The Department of Design and Construction and the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center are leading the effort to review underground areas that were searched during the initial 9/11 recovery effort and to identify additional areas, if any, that weren't searched and from which human remains could be recovered, the mayor's office said in a written statement.

The discovery of more remains was made Thursday by Phoenix Contractors, a firm hired by the city of clean sludge from underground drains under the corner of West Street and Vesey Street, officials said. Workers found the bones as they sifted through debris removed from pipes.

Later, additional remains were discovered at a Con Ed facility, where sludge from the site had been taken the previous day, said Steve Coleman, a spokesman for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The remains, some as large as arm or leg bones, were turned over to the medical examiner's office. Earlier this year, nearly 300 other human bone fragments -- typically smaller than an inch -- were found atop a 41-story building near the World Trade Center site that had been badly damaged in the attacks. No remains have been identified for more than 1,150 of the 2,749 people killed in New York in the attacks.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/23/attack ... index.html

Now that the Dems control Congress, nobody with more than half a brain believes The Chimp anymore, and Rummy is riding off into the sunset, more knowledgeable people are stepping forward to tell what they know about 9/11.

Boston Air Traffic Controller Says 9/11 An Inside Job
Knew people in FAA on day of hijackings who said intercept procedures should have been enacted as normal

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, December 14, 2006

"A former Boston Center air traffic controller has gone public on his assertion that 9/11 was an inside job and that Donald Rumsfeld and the Pentagon tracked three of the four flights from the point of their hijacking to hitting their targets. In an astounding telephone interview, Robin Hordon claims air traffic controllers have been ignored or silenced to protect the true perpetrators of 9/11.

A recording of the phone conversation was posted on Google video late yesterday by the Pilots For 9/11 Truth organization."

If you want to read the rest of the article, here is the URL:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/de ... roller.htm

Interesting link, thanks Larry!

Wow, check this.

http://www.classbrain.com/artfree/publi ... _224.shtml

Christer, thanks for posting the video link. Unfortunately it would take several hours for my computer to digest the whole thing. And every half hour, I would get stay-connected prompts, which would disconnect me if I did not click on the button.

What did you find interesting about the video? Emotional impact? New information?

It was different from the other videos i have seen because of all personal comments and close ups.

It was the view from "the ordinary" citizen.

Thanks again.

FOREKNOWLEDGE?

Is this one of the inevitable SNAFUs that happen during disasters? Or did Ms. Standley make the mistake of reading her prepared script at the wrong time?

On 11 Sept 2001, BBC journalist Jane Standley reported that Building #7 in the World Trade Center complex had just collapsed. The odd thing is that she reported it 23 minutes in advance of the actual collapse! For more details, here is a link:
http://www.wtc7.net/foreknowledge.html#bbc

I wonder how they are going to explain that...........

In August 2004, a Zogby International poll indicated that 49.3% New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens "overall" say US Leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act". In July 2006, a Scripps Howard and Ohio University poll concluded that "Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them", "sixteen percent said it's "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that the collapse of the twin towers in New York was aided by explosives secretly planted in the two buildings" and "twelve percent suspect the Pentagon was struck by a military cruise missile in 2001 rather than by an airliner captured by terrorists.

A May 2006 Zogby International poll indicated that 42% of Americans more likely agree with people who believe that "the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up. A September 2006 Ipsos-Reid poll found that 22 percent of Canadians believe "the attacks on the United

States on September 11, 2001, had nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden and were actually a plot by influential Americans. An October 2006 New York Times and CBS news poll showed that 28 percent believe members of the Bush Administration are mostly lying about "what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States.

http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=231

http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

I'm definitely in the 36%, the 16%, the 42%, and the 28%. I guess that makes me a tinfoil hatter!